It’s no secret that the times have changed, including the public perspective of higher education. It’s easy to focus on the negative and much harder to empower the positive. In this interview, Hayley Spira-Bauer and John Katzman discuss what higher education gets right - and it’s an inspiring list! But that's only one piece; let's dive in with Katzman and hear how he thinks K12 spaces need to be shaken up to keep up.